Tuesday, April 11, 2006

Morning Edition - 4/11/06

On Blast
Several African American men entered the predominantly white area of Howard Beach in New York City to steal cars when a few white men jumped out at them and beat them with bats and other weapons. The white guys were said to have called the African American guys “Niggers.” The white guys were charged with assault and a hate crime. Two days ago several African American and Hispanic teens chased a white man down in Harlem, struggled with him and assaulted him in an attempt to rob him. Before chasing him to his death in front of a moving vehicle, the teens screamed, “Get whitey!” The teens were charged as adults, but they were not charged with a hate crime because it was felt that the crime was incited by their desire for money, rather than prejudice or racist motives.

What’s the difference here? Both groups of assailants yelled racial epithets, yet only one group was charged with a hate crime – why? Do we hold white America more accountable for racial slurs than we do minority races? Should minority races – i.e. African Americans be charged with a hate crime if they call their victim “Nigger” during an altercation? What’s really going on America? Are we all equal and therefore equally accountable and responsible for our actions?

Let’s keep it real… be honest…be open and tell it like you feel it is.

Keep passin’ the open windows…

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

We hold white America more accountable for racial slurs than we do minority races because when was the last time you saw a minority burn a cross on a persons lawn? When was the last time you saw a minority with slaves? Does that answer your question?

Just Me said...

I believe that the difference is 'intent'. The white boys intended on hurting some black boys for entering their neighborhood while the black boys were interested in robbing a white man and not to harm him for entering theirs. White American is held at a higher standard than any other race because of their history in racism. I believe that if the intent is the same than the punishment should be the same.

Tammy said...

I believe both groups should be charged with racial slurs. I'm not sure if both groups should be charged with assault. The black men came into that neighborhood with intent to steal. They should've gotten their azz'es whooped!!! Now if they were just in the neighborhood doing nothing and they were beat with bats then the white men should have been charged with assault. But we do hold white america more accountable for racial intent, cause of their actions past and present.

donya said...

I am very tossed at questions like this and because I am clueless about the New York area I have questions. First how did the white men know that the black men were there to steal cars? If they knew I am not condoning what they did but I know why they did it. They were protecting there area the same that black people would do depending on the neighborhood. However, if they did not know and just assumed that they were there for that purpose then yes it was not only a hate crime but racial profiling. Now for the young men chasing the man to his death calling him whitey is no different than two men of different race getting into something and calling each other racial slurs. Once again I am not condoning it but there is no respect anymore for anyone. I hope it does not sound as confused as I think.

donya said...

on a similar note does anyone watch the FX series Black. White.?

Cocoa Rican said...

Well Anonymous 8:17 a.m., it would seem that it’s a case of “how long can the ancestors of one race be held accountable for and punished for the wrong doings of their predecessors?” The 20-year old man, who was beaten and chased into the street in Harlem, did not own slaves and as far as we know had not burned crosses in anyone’s yard. Conversely, a report in today’s NY Post mentioned that there is an ongoing tension between the haves and have-nots as more whites move into predominately black areas of Harlem. So when the youngsters yelled, “Get Whitey!” it would seem they meant to take down the white man. Would they have yelled “Get Blacky” if the victim had been black? I suspect they wouldn’t. Also, the white men in the Howard Beach incident were said to have been provoked by the black men who were clearly on the hunt for a car to steal. Before you go there – the black guys admitted to being in the neighborhood to steal cars. So, can we also give the white assailants the same benefit of the doubt and say that they were incited by the car thieves in their neighborhood and make the assumption that calling these assailants, “Niggers” may have been just the white men finding the most hurtful words for these men?
• There are real statistics for white, black and Hispanic culture idiosyncrasies ranging from slave ownership to high crime rates in our history, but can we continue to define and punish current generations unrelated to these statistics for these crimes and idiosyncrasies?
• If you use a racial epithet, slur or condescending remark in conjunction with your crime you should be charged with a hate crime. PERIOD. Let’s level the playing field and make all Americans equal and equally responsible.
• Many cultures have been enslaved, mistreated and oppressed by other cultures. Black Americans are not the first and certainly not the last, so let’s rise above our history. We recognize the ancestors of some white Americans oppressed the ancestors of some black Americans (yes, it’s actually “some” folks) but it doesn’t mean that in the year 2080 we should still find it acceptable to whip Bif’s ass because Otis’ ancestors were enslaved by white folks in 1872. Get a grip and let’s get off the soap box.
• Current racism must be addressed and punished, but we cannot continue judging, punishing and excusing behavior because of ancestral heritage. It’s insane. We have black, white and Hispanic parents and grandparents (in present day) who are racist pigs, but that doesn’t mean we are that way or that we should be judged for the way our ancestors feel or act.

Yes Donya, I do watch Black/White on FX and find it hysterically funny at how some issues still are so prevalent in both communities. It goes to show you the long-term effects of racial conditioning.

donya said...

Hector said: "If you use a racial epithet, slur or condescending remark in conjunction with your crime you should be charged with a hate crime. PERIOD. Let’s level the playing field and make all Americans equal and equally responsible." Do you feel the same way when a black person calls another black person a nigger? If so how do you think others would respond to this solution?

caspar608 said...

For anonymous:
I have never in my life burned a cross on anyone's lawn or owned any slaves (nor have any of my ancestors - sorry to disappoint but "we" were oppressed and starved in Ireland by the British and when my "people" came to America we were treated like garbage as well. "No Irish" was everywhere). Does that mean that if I am killed by a black person, they have the right to chase me down and call me a cracker ass cracker or whitey before I am killed? Do I have the right to call you a stupid nigger for implying that all white people burn crosses on peoples lawns and that we all owned slaves? I wouldn't call anyone a nigger....Ironically, people of color call each other "niggers" enough for all of the Arian/KKK imbociles who are to afraid to use it in public (hence the hoods). Nigger this and nigger that. Nigger who? Nigger what? Its all soooooooo fucking stupid.
Meanwhile back at the ranch....the various Education Departments in the United States of America are setting our children up to be illiterate, inarticulate buffoons by taking the vocabulary curriculum out of school. More schools built? Please, the lawmakers in the our country are saving what should be new school money for all of the prisons that will have to be built when our uneducated offspring are sent into the world without an EDUCATION. Parents don't seem to care anymore. Provide a child with a decent education and they will be less likely to behave like barbarians when they walk outside of their homes. And its more that likely they won't be walking around calling each other cracker and nigger. Rather than worrying about what ignorant people have done (or still do depending upon what neck of the woods you live), DO SOMETHING for the future by getting involved in your community.
Only love of SELF can annihilate hate.

In addition to charging the five little monsters as adults, they should charge the parents with neglect for raising their children irresponsibly.
And, for the record, the ancient Egyptians - from AFRICA - held the Jewish people as slaves for THOUSANDS of years. In addition, the genocide in Africa TODAY is BLACK on BLACK crime at its worst.

Now come with it....

donya said...

I LOVE YOU CASPAR. Very well put. :-)

caspar608 said...

Yes, that is the IRONY in the Howard Beach case...the black dudes admitted that they went to Howard Beach specifically to steal Chrysler 300's. To steal.
TO STEAL. Though shalt not steal. You know why ... in Biblical times if you stole something that belonged to someone else YOU HAD YOUR HANDS CHOPPED OFF. The brothers who got their asses whooped in Howard Beach deserved it and should be thankful they are alive...the Italians in Howard Beach are NUTS. And Mob related. Like why would anyone even take that chance. Unless they did it for publicity or did it to sue somebody. I don't know. Ignorance screams in situations like this.
ANd yes, if a black person attacks kills maims another black person and calls the victim a nigger during the attack they should DEFINITELY be charged with a hate crime - use of that word by someone of color during a violent confrontation is a sad display of self hatred.

caspar608 said...

I love you too Donya.
My nerves are shot to hell already and its only 10:41am.

Tammy said...

Caspar is right...the first slave owners were the Egyptians...Black folk. And they were some mean mofo's. Y'all I dont think Caspar has a color. I think Caspar is just Caspar. By Caspar words you cant tell what color she is...you can only tell that she is a strong loving sista...a hell'uva friend and a damn good mama.

Cocoa Rican said...

...and my sistah and main bitch for over 30 years... so what's really going on?!

caspar608 said...

Tammy
Thank you. You made me cry today.

Cocoa
Try to leave me and I am stalking you like a fiend.

Everyone else
God made each and everyone of us valuable; formed and fashioned by His loving hands. Let no man (or woman) on earth or demon in hell come between you and your relationship with Him. With that being said....

We ALL have a responsibility to change the way things are right now. The only way to do this is by DEMANDING that the powers that be recognize the divinity in our children and treat them as valuable beings. If we sit back and expect other people or politicians to change society we aren't going to get anywhere. Get up to the schools. Make "them" feel your presence and if necessary, your WRATH. Bring the noise if you feel something isn't right. Organize parents. There is strength in numbers.
ANd don't be surprised if you see me on the NEWS telling the whole world that the school crisis is a set up to keep minorities uneducated and in the dark. The school crisis is a smokescreen for what is to come for our young men and women of color...poverty and jail. I am not afraid of backlash. I will get up in front of everyone and let the world know that there is a conspiracy against our children to keep the WASPS in power by denying children of color an education. You don't have to have children of your own to be affected by this potential catastrophe. The children who aren't being valued today may wind up cutting your throat tomorrow. Believe me, this is everyones problem and it has reached epidemic proportions in our urban areas. The bird flu? Another smokescreen. The real problem is overcrowding in schools.
Instead of gameboys and x-boxes we need to start putting BOOKS in the hands of our children. Expand the minds of our young. Truly intelligent beings recognize the fragility and beauty in others...and know consequence.
We all must work to make this world worthy of our children.

Cocoa Rican said...

Okay... now let me start saving the bail money... LOL